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  • Turbo Diesel EGR Problems and Blue Smoke

    My Montego 2.0TD has taken up smoking, mainly at idle and clouds when pulling away and it stinks of unburnt fuel. I had a problem with the EGR valve being held open at idle (there was a vacuum applied to it when I pulled the tube off) . . . it doesn't happen now.

    After checking things out and getting it to stop smoking I did a 180 mile motorway journey it was fine, checked under the car the next morning not a drip of oil or water; did several short trips and had the smoke problem; Very cautiously at first, set off on the return 180 mile journey - got home without a problem at "normal" motorway speeds.

    What seems strange are the resistance readings from the throttle pot. The lowest reading between pins is 900 ohms and the highest 1950. There is a constant reading of 1050 ohms between to pins which suggests that the "wiper" connection has a resistance of 900 ohms . . . that doesn't make sense. Washing it out with meths hasn't made a difference.

    Air Filter - new
    EGR - cleaned and tested
    PCV Valve - cleaned
    Cold Starting - Good
    Power - Good (but fiddling with the throttle pot can cause a horrendous flat spot - power loss/turbo lag.
    The temperature switch and cold start solenoid work;
    The temperature switch for the automatic advance works and power is getting to the solenoid (about 25 ohms) but I can't tell if the solenoid operates (with the engine hot disconnecting makes no difference) and Mr "Haynes" doesn't give any clues about how it comes apart.

    This problem is driving me mad! It seems to me as though there is too much fuel or it is not getting burnt properly at idle, the EGR is closed (tube off and plugged).

    If anybody can help with voltage and resistance readings for the EGR system inc. valve lift pot) and a link to diagrams for the advance solenoid assembly (or 'it's only a spring and a plunger just undo the big nut' reassurance). I would be really grateful. I've got access to a vacuum gauge, meters and 'scope but I don't know what I'm looking for.
    Thanks in anticipation.

  • #2
    egr problems

    hi
    interesting problem. I have run a 2.0 TD for years and have never had a problem. If its any help i'll check mine out tomorrow. I'll take some measurements of throttle pot etc and post tomorrow evening

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    • #3
      Five and Half Years have been Trouble Free.

      Yep, I've had the car since Feb 03 and apart from initial repairs to electrics and repacing the alternator it has been trouble free to August 08 when I had to replace the head gasket; I don't know if this smoke problem led me to replace the head gasket or it started afterwards.

      After test drives everything seemed OK, then the intermittent smoking problem developed. I'll check the timing belt hasn't jumped a notch on the injector pump, but I doubt it because the car goes so well/runs smoothly . . . If only I had breathing apparatus and radar!

      Common Problem? The only consistent smoke issue is when the turbo hesitates, usually about 70 in fifth on the motorway when black smoke can be seen swirling in the rear view mirror; Clearing if you accelerate or slow down a bit, injector cleaner doesn't make any difference, but maintaining steady motorway speed for 20 miles sorts it out temporarily - as though it's purging itself of gunge that accumulates when you do shorter/low speed journeys.

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      • #4
        The potentiometer only is used to control the EGR system. If it is faulty then the EGR will activate at the wrong time giving excess smoke and poor performance.

        My advice is simply leave the EGR valve vacuum hose off of the valve and the open end of the hose plugged As this will bypass the EGR system so that is never activates.
        www.maestroturbo.org.uk - The Tickford Maestro Turbo Register
        www.rover200.org.uk - The Rover 200/400 (R8) Owners Club
        www.roverdiesel.co.uk - My Rover Diesel Site

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        • #5
          egr problems

          hi
          out of interrest, i measured my throttle pot. the readings dont quite make sense but seem to be the same as lindens. 1000 ohm constant between outer pins. 900 to 1850 ohms between centre pin and outer.
          I could'nt make mine smoke by revving it with throttle pot or egr valve disconnected.
          my old engine used to smoke like mad when it had a cracked head and was using loads of water. ran beautifully though and still did 50 mpg!

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          • #6
            Could well have an injector sticking open at idle causing fuel to dribble in all the time.

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            • #7
              smoking

              Hi
              This is what I have done, first have the all injectors checked out and tuned.
              You then lean off the injector pump mixture idler screw. Adjust this until the car pulls away without a flat spot.
              Do not touch the unprotected electrical connection with your cranked spanner or the number one fuse will blow.
              Change the fuel filter.

              All the best

              Africar

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