RIP - The tax disc

[Oli]

Totally agree John
If it is here to stay then my oldest car will be tax exempt in 2028

Just found this publication as well:
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload..._vehicles_.pdf

[Simon]

Wonder if we'd be able to put a historic tax disc in our holders when the real ones disappear?

[seacow]

Wonder if we'd be able to put a historic tax disc in our holders when the real ones disappear?

Yes you can - nothing to stop you doing it now as long as you have a valid one too is there? I have read that you will be able to somewhere though I am sure.

[G51 NAV]

Assuming that the legislation isn't further modified or repealed, MG Maestro Turbo owners have to wait til 2029 . I wouldn't be surprised if a proportion of enthusiasts who own especially H-plate Turbos encounter 'issues' proving that their car was built before 01/01/90.

[Guest]

its a great idea but......... since the demise of the bristol office ( i can only speak about them) who bent over backwards to help me re-tax and get my A40 back on the road after its lay off of 15 years or more, trying to deal with dvla is near impossible as they dont see or know what you are on about. and this tax thing i can only see it being a nightmare..

[Miracle maestro]

VED is a perverse tax that is unfair and illogical.

We have reps call to see us who drive 60k miles a year- yet pay nothing because their vehicle is below the tax threshold, while some of us pay a small fortune to cover a few hundred miles per year.

As for the change to 'virtual' licensing, I agree with Andy that it could lengthen the 'summer season' for preserved cars. March/April and October are problematic in the current six month window. Unless you like the hassle of surrendering a 12 month disc?

[philippope]

I always buy a 12 month disc and surrender it when I am ready-so I can choose how many months the car is on the road for-dictated by the weather! You get all the unused months paid back in full as a cheque. I don't really see filling in a form and posting the disc off as any hassle tbh.

[Oli]

The link at the beginning of this thread has been updated today (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vehicle-tax-changes)

Giving more details on how refunds will be processed etc

[PhilBill]

It's all about ANPR databases.

Also, they seem to want to ANPR all the petrol stations. I read somewhere in the news that all the trunk road and motorway management cameras are connected to ANPR, as well as town and city centre cameras. They are officially allowed to keep the data that tracks all cars for two years. So, the only way you can escape their surveillance is by not being on the database. The abolition of the tax disc system is closing the last potential gaps in their continuous licencing/SORN database system.

There was a recent police operation on BBC W.Mids local news using police from Eastern Europe, to phone home or log in to their own country's computer systems. This suggests that UK police and ANPR does not have direct access to those systems currently. So if you're law abiding and from the UK big brother is watching you and recording and storing your every movement. If you are a crook from Eastern Europe - not so much. All without a democratic mandate, done on a 'don't ask they might say no' basis. This system is not a replacement for all the traffic police that have been got rid of. The large increase in faulty car lights last winter shows this. What other safety faults have increased that are not so visible?

Another thing they have with CCTV now is 'gait analysis', so they can track pedestrians automatically like ANPR for cars. Shame they don't have something for the more than half of London cyclists who think red lights are optional for them. I know, why don't they tax, licence, make them have insurance and numberplate them like every other road vehicle?

[Oli]

the day has come

RIP!

I have read online today that many people are unable to tax their cars online today as the DVLA website has crashed.

[The Express Valeter]

RIP!

I have read online today that many people are unable to tax their cars online today as the DVLA website has crashed.

Oh What a surprise...........

[Oli]

Confirmed. Phone lines are also down for 'maintenance'.

Interesting article here too:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29430979

[CPL593H]

It's all about ANPR databases.

Also, they seem to want to ANPR all the petrol stations. I read somewhere in the news that all the trunk road and motorway management cameras are connected to ANPR, as well as town and city centre cameras. They are officially allowed to keep the data that tracks all cars for two years. So, the only way you can escape their surveillance is by not being on the database. The abolition of the tax disc system is closing the last potential gaps in their continuous licencing/SORN database system.

There was a recent police operation on BBC W.Mids local news using police from Eastern Europe, to phone home or log in to their own country's computer systems. This suggests that UK police and ANPR does not have direct access to those systems currently. So if you're law abiding and from the UK big brother is watching you and recording and storing your every movement. If you are a crook from Eastern Europe - not so much. All without a democratic mandate, done on a 'don't ask they might say no' basis. This system is not a replacement for all the traffic police that have been got rid of. The large increase in faulty car lights last winter shows this. What other safety faults have increased that are not so visible?

Another thing they have with CCTV now is 'gait analysis', so they can track pedestrians automatically like ANPR for cars. Shame they don't have something for the more than half of London cyclists who think red lights are optional for them. I know, why don't they tax, licence, make them have insurance and numberplate them like every other road vehicle?

Exactly this.
Just as the Low Emission Zone (LEZ) was a convenient excuse to install a ring of ANPR cameras
around Greater London

Also the new Galileo GPS system will be paid for with road tolls

[Jeff Turbo]

Worked perfect in the afternoon yesterday

[charliecosworth]

Won't be long before we have road tolls.